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CarolynnL  is currently offline CarolynnL  UNITED STATES
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Fulton, Mississippi, a town of 4,000, will have no school sponsored prom this year. The district had promulgated a policy that required only one male and one female as a couple. A young lesbian girl petitioned to be allowed to bring a girl. The petitioner would be dressed in a tuxedo. Somehow the ACLU was asked to make a statement, which supported the student, not the school officials, so they canceled the April 2 prom. It is likely there will be a private prom that will exclude same sex couples, though the officials denied any knowledge of one.

Dinosaur's still rule in Mississippi. The students obviously are getting a quality education in Mississippi. Well, in the maintenance of bigotry at least.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35814348/ns/us_news-education/?G T1=43001

[Updated on: Thu, 11 March 2010 15:30]

Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #93327 is a reply to message #93316 ] Thu, 11 March 2010 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dinosaur's still rule in Mississippi. The students obviously are getting a quality education in Mississippi. Well, in the maintenance of bigotry at least.


The school board that is locally elected has to enforce the dress code. There is no money to support security guard or fight a law case. Local government has a right to make and enforce its own rules. It has nothing to do with bigotry all to do with democracy. Schools are supported by local taxes and they can make any rules they want. Just as many MS counties are dry not allowing sale of alcohol drinks. If you do not like local laws you are free to move to where the local culture is more to your liking.
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #93328 is a reply to message #93327 ] Thu, 11 March 2010 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's always nice to have constancy on the Earth. Like water seeking it's own level, daylight following night, and Lisa always blaming the victim.
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #93333 is a reply to message #93328 ] Thu, 11 March 2010 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lisa always blaming the victim.


The community and stable education is the victim. They did not demand that the whole community change. It is an individual that started the problem and is taking from the whole community. Now is that fair? What has this individual given?

Public schools are funded by the public and rules made by the public. If one does not like the rules they are free to go someplace else. Children are not guaranteed adult rights.

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Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #93345 is a reply to message #93333 ] Thu, 11 March 2010 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lisagurl wrote on Thu, 11 March 2010 15:32
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Lisa always blaming the victim.


The community and stable education is the victim. They did not demand that the whole community change. It is an individual that started the problem and is taking from the whole community. Now is that fair? What has this individual given?

Public schools are funded by the public and rules made by the public. If one does not like the rules they are free to go someplace else. Children are not guaranteed adult rights.


Emphasis mine.

They did not what? Who are 'they' and what did they 'not do'?

It is the job of the community to -- among other things -- give to THE CHILD. A community that fails to nurture and support its children -- all of them -- is defective and dysfunctional.

This child did not start a problem. All she did was highlight the fact that it existed in the first place.

Tell me Lisa, if and when the state of Mississippi goes out to explicitly target and eliminate the problem of cross dressing men with a body modification fetish, will you accept and understand that you created this problem, brought it upon yourself and victimized the community, by taking a woman's right to privacy in the restroom away from the community?
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #93348 is a reply to message #93333 ] Thu, 11 March 2010 20:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lisagurl wrote on Thu, 11 March 2010 20:32

The community and stable education is the victim. They did not demand that the whole community change. It is an individual that started the problem and is taking from the whole community. Now is that fair?



I'm sure they said the same sort of things about the desegregationists.

If supporting the status quo and maintaing the peace means supporting and perpetuating prejudice and bigotry, then the community, or at least the public school administration, IS what needs to change. Public money should never be used to support bigotry no matter how unpopular homosexuals may be in the town.

Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny.

- Karen
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #93350 is a reply to message #93345 ] Thu, 11 March 2010 20:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lisa, clearly Mississippi is inhabited by many bigoted and ill-educated persons.
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #94366 is a reply to message #93350 ] Sat, 20 March 2010 10:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A little more on the Prom flap.


Ellen, Web site give gay teen $30,000 in prom flap

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100319/us_nm/us_ellen

Wonder if the poor Mississippi School board could use a bit of that money?
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #94761 is a reply to message #94366 ] Tue, 23 March 2010 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Constance has won in court!

http://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/court-rules-mississippi-scho ol-violated-first-amendment-rights-lesbian-student
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #94762 is a reply to message #94761 ] Tue, 23 March 2010 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Cynthia, I just got the word from another source also. Looks like the School Board could have saved themselves some money by just holding the prom.
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #94763 is a reply to message #94762 ] Tue, 23 March 2010 15:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wendy C wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 15:54
Thanks Cynthia, I just got the word from another source also. Looks like the School Board could have saved themselves some money by just holding the prom.

Yeah.
Just a case of cuting of thier nose to spite the face. It never works well.
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #94765 is a reply to message #94763 ] Tue, 23 March 2010 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While the Injunction was denied, the Judge left the case open for the Plaintiff to sue for Compensatory damages. Apparently she had to prove four items and the Judge only allowed three, but the Compensatory part only needs one of the criteria. They still in the end lose.
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #94822 is a reply to message #94366 ] Wed, 24 March 2010 03:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wendy C wrote on Sat, 20 March 2010 13:04
A little more on the Prom flap.


Ellen, Web site give gay teen $30,000 in prom flap

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100319/us_nm/us_ellen

Wonder if the poor Mississippi School board could use a bit of that money?

I've read from several sources that it wasn't just flat out money, but a scholarship. Either way, I'm happy she got something out of it. I'm sure she took a lot of crap for what they did to her, publicly ousting her like that and making her look like the bad guy.
icon13.gif  Re: Mississippi high school bans trans student [message #95569 is a reply to message #94822 ] Mon, 29 March 2010 23:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This same school has now suspended a trans student:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/03/26/school-which-cancelled- prom-suspended-trans-student/


What's next?
Re: Mississippi high school bans trans student [message #95849 is a reply to message #95569 ] Wed, 31 March 2010 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anonymous wrote on Tue, 30 March 2010 17:44
This same school has now suspended a trans student

They did that first. First the Trans students, then the Gay students, then....
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #95866 is a reply to message #93327 ] Thu, 01 April 2010 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SEE: Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka 347 U.S. 483 (1954)

Also, five other cases were combined onto Brown in et al. SEE:
Briggs v. Elliot et al.,
Davis v. County School Board of Prince Edward County
Gebhart v. Belton
Bolling v. Sharpe

FYI there's a rich history of precedent in which discrimination in any form is prohibited under several constitutional mechanisms, particularly the Fourteenth Amendment equal protection clause. Mississippi is asking for trouble as this case, if not resolved, will likely wind up making its way up the appeals chain, and possibly to the Supreme Court. The Constitution does not provide immunities to states' local school districts, it does the opposite by guaranteeing the individual right to participate in"any and all" taxpayer funded educational enterprises. Even private school's are not immune to Constitutional jurisdiction re acts or actions of discrimination, whether race, ethnicity, disability, or gender related.
Re: Mississippi high school bans prom after petition from [message #95869 is a reply to message #95866 ] Thu, 01 April 2010 08:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My apologies particularly to Cynthialee -- I posted my comments before I read the news link Cynthialee posted about the case being resolved by the court. I jumped the gun. Great news! Cynthialee-- thanks for the link. Rights are powerful and powerfully protected- this keeps that faith and is a ray of hope.
Bear Hug : ) Sherri
Re: Mississippi high school bans trans student [message #95870 is a reply to message #95849 ] Thu, 01 April 2010 08:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ZoeB wrote on Wed, 31 March 2010 23:04
Anonymous wrote on Tue, 30 March 2010 17:44
This same school has now suspended a trans student

They did that first. First the Trans students, then the Gay students, then....



I think if we're going to start going first all the time, they should call it TLGB! (it's only fair)
Re: Mississippi high school bans trans student [message #95874 is a reply to message #95870 ] Thu, 01 April 2010 08:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jenny- I agree : ) but you really hit on a something that's likely to come to the fore sooner than you think. The prognosis in my legal circle(s) that deals with gender discrimination is that as gay rights are more and more recognized and become mainstream, so will gay men and women become not just "accepted," but incorporated to "normal" as much as anybody else in broader societies' eyes. I'm not saying this advancement is happening over night, but it is happening and it's a great, great thing. But the next "group" (the law calls them "protected classes") to emerge through the process is, well, us. As more and more young people are identifying as transgender and coming out at earlier and earlier, significant cases are bound to accumulate forward regarding the protection and abuse of anti discrimination rights as dictated by the Constitution and/or individual states themselves. So, I'd say, you're on to something! Support TLGB causes!
Bear Hug Sherri
Re: Mississippi high school bans trans student [message #96368 is a reply to message #95874 ] Wed, 07 April 2010 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Interesting.

So essentially we might end up being called TIQ or something after more time passes... and of course our long-range goal is to create a society where there is no need (except for the practicalities of change and re-integration) for LGBT support groups.
Re: Mississippi high school bans trans student [message #96981 is a reply to message #96368 ] Sun, 11 April 2010 21:08 Go to previous message
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exactly!
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