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A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99570] Fri, 07 May 2010 06:12 Go to next message
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"I can tell you if there were any homosexuals in that group, they were taken care of in ways I can't describe to you."
-- TN Republican congressional candidate Ron Kirkland speaking about his Vietnam-era military unit, criticizing the proposed repeal of DADT at a Tea Party forum.

There are idiots, and there are assholes, then there are idiot assholes. His statement on the one hand could be considered hyperbole, while his content is threatening and designed to appeal to the bigots among the Idiot Republican fringe -- Oh but I repeat myself.

If his words about gays being "taken care of.." have any foundation in fact, then the military should be launching an investigation of him and the other survivors of his unit to determine if assult and battery and murder of fellow inmates of his unit took place. There is no statute of limitations on murder, not even in the military. Fragging your own unit mates is not usually condoned, but maybe it doesn't apply to "sub-human freaks" as some other of the Tea-Party supporters have described the gender/sex variants in their propaganda against repeal of DADT?

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Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99576 is a reply to message #99570 ] Fri, 07 May 2010 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm sick of people making political statements by trying to smear an entire segment of our society by using one individual's comment that has nothing to do with the group. Every political party has their fools. The dems have MANY. Uhhhh... leading democrat Robert Byrd?
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99590 is a reply to message #99576 ] Fri, 07 May 2010 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What was she thinking...

"Weapons of mass destruction."

Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99750 is a reply to message #99590 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You see, a president cannot involve America in an un warranted war without their parties support. Not only has George W. the Lessor cost our nation a Trillion dollars in real money, but the cost to humnity with all of the multi national deaths is obscene.
The multilated soldiers that have survived will tap the health care system for decades to come God bless their souls. The destroyed families that will never recover. Yet the idiot was put back in office for another four years.

How sad that all the energy that people are exhibiting against President Obama didn't see the light of day with Georgie!!!

Let me see, improve the human condition or cause death and destruction??? Help me out people, I just can't figure this one out. Remember though, his children have been safe and sound here at home.

Let us not forget about the missing pallets of billions of dollars in $100.00 dollars bills. Where do you think they diappeared to in your heart of hearts???

All of this makes me ill...

Use your brain not your party affiliation!!!

What is really tragic is that most people don't realize that Georgie was a puppet with his strings being pulled by others. Have you ever listened to him speak publicly, his is an idiot!!!



Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99752 is a reply to message #99570 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Use your brain not your party affiliation!!!



I whole heartedly agree. I eagerly await your next post where you actually put that into practice.

Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99757 is a reply to message #99752 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kim wrote on Sat, 08 May 2010 10:08
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Use your brain not your party affiliation!!!



I whole heartedly agree. I eagerly await your next post where you actually put that into practice.




How anybody can't see the mess we are today is largely due to deregulation, getting involved in Iraq, and the 'starve the beast mentality' is beyond me. What also gets to me are those who think they are self made, so it should be every person for themselves, who don't realize how much what they accomplished had to do with their circumstances and relative advantages.

There are problems and corruption within ALL political parties because power and money do corrupt.

But when one looks at the core philosophies and values the parties represent (however imperfectly), those of the Democratic party aline with mine a WHOLE lot better than the republicans. One has to care about society as whole, not just people like themselves. So in my case party affiliation is a result of using ones brain and making pragmatic decisions.

I have to wonder where we would be today if Ralph Nader had not run for president in 2000... Gore would have won instead of Bush and I believe we would have been better off today than we are... Those that voted for Nader voted followed their heart without regard to party ... and got exactly the opposite type of government they wanted.

In any case people using their brains often come up with different views and opinions. Coming to different conclusions says little about relative intelligence, but in politics often a lot about differing values.

IMO the many of the Tea partiers are acting out of fear. When people are afraid they also tend to be less tollerate of those not like themselves. IMO it's that fear and not a deep analysis of the issues, that drives many of their positions on issues.

They tend to be against all the measures that saved us from another great depression and advocate policies that if implemented NOW, could put us right back on that track.

That is how I see things.

- Karen
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99790 is a reply to message #99570 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Karen, I think you let too much get to you. Way too much.

Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99794 is a reply to message #99790 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kim wrote on Sat, 08 May 2010 13:20
Karen, I think you let too much get to you. Way too much.




I think the direction the country takes is hugely important and affects the lives of all of us significantly.

I also think right wing talk radio/TV has gone so far into unreality and the fact so may people think that Fox is actually "fair and balanced" and accurate that it's scary.

All that has gotten me to care a lot more about politics and it's consequences than I used to.

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Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99796 is a reply to message #99570 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One has to care about society as whole, not just people like themselves.


Well well, who thought we'd never agree on anything! I couldn't agree more.
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99797 is a reply to message #99570 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I also think right wing talk radio/TV has gone so far into unreality and the fact so may people think that Fox is actually "fair and balanced" and accurate that it's scary.



I luv Rush Limbaugh. He's actually very funny and he's imformative. I would encourage everyone to listen, but I encourage people to listen and read all points of view.

I think FOX news has the best balance of all the networks, but I don't watch anymore (I now only get local and kid channels).
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99798 is a reply to message #99794 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Karen_A wrote on Sat, 08 May 2010 12:38
Kim wrote on Sat, 08 May 2010 13:20
Karen, I think you let too much get to you. Way too much.




I think the direction the country takes is hugely important and affects the lives of all of us significantly.

I also think right wing talk radio/TV has gone so far into unreality and the fact so may people think that Fox is actually "fair and balanced" and accurate that it's scary.

All that has gotten me to care a lot more about politics and it's consequences than I used to.

- Karen



Karen, I'm 100% serious, I think you need to expand your horizons just a bit. You label entire groups of people as either good or bad. I label individuals as either right or wrong. Just a heartfelt suggestion.
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99799 is a reply to message #99798 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kim wrote on Sat, 08 May 2010 13:47
You label entire groups of people as either good or bad.


No I don't... I label the effects of policies good or bad and can see common characteristics that who advocate some policies TEND to have... not individuals. Individuals can be all over the map, but there are statistical correlations which can sometimes indicate causation/motivations. within groups

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Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99828 is a reply to message #99757 ] Sat, 08 May 2010 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"I have to wonder where we would be today if Ralph Nader had not run for president in 2000... Gore would have won instead of Bush and I believe we would have been better off today than we are... Those that voted for Nader voted followed their heart without regard to party ... and got exactly the opposite type of government they wanted."

Karen...

I completely understand what you are saying here, but truth be told, all genuinely (((thinking))) people knew that a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush in effect because Nader would never have gotten in office, hence Nader served as the spoiler. And history has proven this so. Sadly Nader was told this in no uncertain terms that he was going to be the spoiler and that Bush the Lessor would end up in the White House, he didn't care and it all came to fruition.

I had for many years held Ralphie in high regard, but these days I have to wonder how he sleeps at night as he was the deciding factor that put the moron in office, and he knew that right up front! Perhaps if Ralphie did not have an ego he would have made a selfless decision.

It is all so sad.

The greatest nation in the world and we are nearly broken.

Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99934 is a reply to message #99799 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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not individuals. Individuals can be all over the map,


Yes that is exactly what is needed not mass organization. Individuals express what life is about. The individual action of each is each one's life.

How about using your knowledge, energy, personal action, go out and help people that are worse off than you. Volunteer to make other lives better. What goes around comes around. Community is all not who pays the most most taxes. Do not look to government to solve your problems, they are not capable.
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99945 is a reply to message #99934 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lisagurl wrote on Sun, 09 May 2010 12:27
go out and help people that are worse off than you.



While there certainly are people much worst of than I, In case you don't remember I'm not well off any more... certainly not financially secure as you are.

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Volunteer to make other lives better. What goes around comes around. Community is all not who pays the most most taxes. Do not look to government to solve your problems, they are not capable.


The problem with relying individual charity and volunteering is that most people only tend to want to help people they can relate to. Not all worthy causes and people are equally popular ... That is simply another aspect of the tyranny of the major that government is needed to counteract.

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Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99947 is a reply to message #99570 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 12:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The problem with relying individual charity and volunteering is that most people only tend to want to help people they can relate to. Not all worthy causes and people are equally popular ... That is simply another aspect of the tyranny of the major that government is needed to counteract.



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Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99949 is a reply to message #99947 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The problem with relying individual charity and volunteering is that most people only tend to want to help people they can relate to. Not all worthy causes and people are equally popular ... That is simply another aspect of the tyranny of the major that government is needed to counteract.



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How disconnected from the reality of human beings can you be?

BTW do you ever actually use rational argument to support your opinions or do you always just use the typical right wing tactic of trying to discredit/attack the messenger?

- Karen
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99953 is a reply to message #99570 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Karen, my previous post was spot on, not sure what you're talking about.
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99954 is a reply to message #99953 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kim wrote on Sun, 09 May 2010 16:35
Karen, my previous post was spot on, not sure what you're talking about.


Of course not...

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Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99964 is a reply to message #99570 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Karen, if MOST people are so rotten... how could government be so spectacular?

I find most people are willing to help others regardless of their background.

Perhaps you're projecting a bit?
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99966 is a reply to message #99945 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... That is simply another aspect of the tyranny of the major that government is needed to counteract.



Now let me get this straight. If the voting public is not supporting one program but supports another that is tyranny. But when the Government forces it will on the public against the public action that is not tyranny.

The world is not fair and democracies support what the public votes on not what is moral according to some arbitrary code.

Individuals can support with their own time that which pleases them and not support that which does not. It is called freedom and liberty.

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Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99974 is a reply to message #99966 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 15:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Now let me get this straight. If the voting public is not supporting one program but supports another that is tyranny.



The public has no right to decide some law abiding citizens are worth more than others.

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But when the Government forces it will on the public against the public action that is not tyranny.



We went through this with respect to civil rights and race, as well as same sex marriage not too long ago.

There is a reason the framers of the constitutions did not give us a pure democracy... They were worried about mob rule and the tyranny of the majority. many who came here back then, came because they belonged to a minority religion in their country of origin and were persecuted there after all.

It amazes me how many don't seem to understand that.

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Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99976 is a reply to message #99570 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Karen, I find it shocking you quote the founders of our nation with high esteem and set up this strawman argument that were opposed to them.

Huh?

You think the founders were in favor of confiscating the hard earned wealth of so-called rich people do you Karen? Read your history, they went to war for less tyranny and taxation than we're living under today!

The republican party was born to end slavery. A larger percentage of republicans voted for civil rights than democrats, but were just a bunch of redneck racists in your warped view.

Karen, you're a classic case of the disconnected seeing the norm as disconnected. It's very sad. You're in a sea of people wanting to help you, but you're so hung up on deep seeded anger. You're kind of scary to be quite honest. I do wish you well... I guess?
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #99977 is a reply to message #99976 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Karen, I find it shocking you quote the founders of our nation with high esteem and set up this strawman argument that were opposed to them.



No the same principles apply. The framers were =very much worried about the tyranny of the majority... Simply trying to assert otherwise does not change that...

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You think the founders were in favor of confiscating the hard earned wealth of so-called rich people do you Karen? Read your history, they went to war for less tyranny and taxation than we're living under today!



The Boston tea part was not about taxation per say. it was about taxation without representation.

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The republican party was born to end slavery.



The republican part of today would be unrecognizable to Lincoln

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A larger percentage of republicans voted for civil rights than democrats, but were just a bunch of redneck racists in your warped view.



You mean the southerners who then became republicans?

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Karen, you're a classic case of the disconnected seeing the norm as disconnected.



Perhaps the norms are different in Mass and Texas?

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It's very sad. You're in a sea of people wanting to help you, but you're so hung up on deep seeded anger.



I have no anger at anything but the unfair/unwarranted way you are behaving towards me.

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Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #100000 is a reply to message #99977 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In my town we find that both givers and receivers of charity are much happier when they are not forced to do it. In fact many more volunteer because the receiver is grateful rather than thinking it is their right to be accommodated.
Re: A real winner of a Republican, for sure [message #100005 is a reply to message #100000 ] Sun, 09 May 2010 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In my town we find that both givers and receivers of charity are much happier when they are not forced to do it. In fact many more volunteer because the receiver is grateful rather than thinking it is their right to be accommodated.


There are plenty of people who volunteer here too... but that does not fill all the needs and people do volunteer for things they have a personal connection with... and of course the level of participation varies a lot and certainly does not and can not be counted on to provide a comprehensive safety net.

Also charity often comes with strings/indoctrination/limitations when faith based groups are involved...

For example when Scott Brown was state legislator he tried to insert a provision into our healthcare bill that catholic hospital could refuse to dispense the morning after pill to rape victims as left to their own that is exactly what they did.

Fortunately that did not pass ... and boy did he run from that amendment when he was running for the Senate...

- Karen
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For example when Scott Brown was state legislator he tried to insert a provision into our healthcare bill that catholic hospital could refuse to dispense the morning after pill to rape victims as left to their own that is exactly what they did.



There is nothing wrong with people being true to their beliefs and culture. It is what makes community. That is why it is important to have local government more powerful than national as culture is different in different areas. I see no problem with a women having the ability to choose about having a baby. There is only one clinic in the whole state that will give the operation. That is fine women can go to other states to have the procedure. It would not be a reason to move or force this culture to change. Yes private charity has strings attached that is why we have it. Government handouts should also have strings attached as it is not a right. We should all expect that some need a hand sometimes but we also should be aware of those who take advantage of the system and do not give back.

Government does not do that. Beggars can not be choosy.
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Lisa said:
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There is nothing wrong with people being true to their beliefs and culture. It is what makes community. That is why it is important to have local government more powerful than national as culture is different in different areas. I see no problem with a women having the ability to choose about having a baby. There is only one clinic in the whole state that will give the operation. That is fine women can go to other states to have the procedure. It would not be a reason to move or force this culture to change. Yes private charity has strings attached that is why we have it. Government handouts should also have strings attached as it is not a right. We should all expect that some need a hand sometimes but we also should be aware of those who take advantage of the system and do not give back.


Huh? I actually agree with that for the most part.

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Wendy C wrote on Sun, 09 May 2010 20:25

Lisa said:
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There is nothing wrong with people being true to their beliefs and culture. It is what makes community. That is why it is important to have local government more powerful than national as culture is different in different areas. I see no problem with a women having the ability to choose about having a baby. There is only one clinic in the whole state that will give the operation. That is fine women can go to other states to have the procedure. It would not be a reason to move or force this culture to change. Yes private charity has strings attached that is why we have it. Government handouts should also have strings attached as it is not a right. We should all expect that some need a hand sometimes but we also should be aware of those who take advantage of the system and do not give back.


Huh? I actually agree with that for the most part.

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There is nothing wrong with people being true to their beliefs and culture. It is what makes community. That is why it is important to have local government more powerful than national as culture is different in different areas.



In some ways that is true and in some ways not. We could not function as nation (both internally or externally or commercially) if local standards always prevailed... there has to be some basic principles/laws that apply everywhere to be a nation.

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I see no problem with a women having the ability to choose about having a baby. There is only one clinic in the whole state that will give the operation. That is fine women can go to other states to have the procedure.



That is spoken froma a position of financial privilege.

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Yes private charity has strings attached that is why we have it. Government handouts should also have strings attached as it is not a right.



But the strings should not be based on religious beliefs and applied to everyone equally regardless of race, color, nation of origin or even if, heaven forbid, they are TS. It should be purely need based.

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We should all expect that some need a hand sometimes but we also should be aware of those who take advantage of the system and do not give back.



Human nature is such that there will always be some people like that ... but they really are the minority.

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Government does not do that.


Government tries... in any case individuals get taken in too.

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DJ wrote on Sun, 09 May 2010 21:37
Wendy C wrote on Sun, 09 May 2010 20:25

Lisa said:
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There is nothing wrong with people being true to their beliefs and culture. It is what makes community. That is why it is important to have local government more powerful than national as culture is different in different areas. I see no problem with a women having the ability to choose about having a baby. There is only one clinic in the whole state that will give the operation. That is fine women can go to other states to have the procedure. It would not be a reason to move or force this culture to change. Yes private charity has strings attached that is why we have it. Government handouts should also have strings attached as it is not a right. We should all expect that some need a hand sometimes but we also should be aware of those who take advantage of the system and do not give back.


Huh? I actually agree with that for the most part.

Hugs



Scary, huh? Me too.

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Yes, and me, too.

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Must be the punch.


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DJ wrote on Mon, 10 May 2010 12:18

Must be the punch.




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