| Same-Sex marriage Federal Case [message #86191] |
Thu, 21 January 2010 17:06  |
 KayA 
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Hi everyone I have been keeping a close eye on the Federal case currently going on in Federal Court in San Francisco concerning the constitutionality of Prop 8 that was passed in California. Here is the link.
http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org
If you follow the links you can get the transcripts of the case as they are being developed.
I have been reading the transcript from Tuesday and it is very interesting. Most of Tuesday's topic was about the political power of Gays and Lesbians.. and frankly it sucks.
Another surprise is the lawyers fighting for the Equal Rights Foundation (our side) are the lawyers on either side of the Bush/Gore election case at the supreme court. Ted Olsen the Bush attorney who is ultra conservative was asked to be the lawyer of record for the case and then asked the Gore lawyer Boies to help him. This is a historical partnership and Ted Olsen is doing a wonderful job just blowing the Prop 8 people out of the water and he is setting up the case to win in the US supreme Court. At one point Olsen used Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia who is no friend of gays and lesbians ... used his own words against the other side. He is setting it up that Justice Scalia will need to if he is at all fair (maybe not likely) will need to rule in our favor.
[Updated on: Thu, 21 January 2010 17:07]
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| Re: Same-Sex marriage Federal Case [message #87031 is a reply to message #86876 ] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 06:36  |
Jennywocky
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| Cynthialee wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 18:23 |
It is scarry but it is true. How long before they start screaming for us to be stoned at the city gates for sodomy and immoral acts?
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Despite sounding cynical above, I doubt that extreme will happen either.
I mean, aside from the REAL fundies, these guys want to be known as "compassionate conservatives." Their whole aim in life is "love the sinner, hate the sin."
That means they can insult us publicly, humiliate us publicly, try to restrict the normalcy of our lives by taking away bathroom privs and birth certificates and employment opportunities, they can keep their children away from us, they can make us wear scarlet T's on our foreheads, they might even try to lock us up at some point for being trans or force us to get mandatory HRT for our birth gender...
... but I don't think they'd try to kill us.
After all, that's pretty unamerican; and it would also mean shedding of blood, and frankly people are fine with bitching loudly and going on their pet crusades and all that, but very few (by percentage) will indulge in actual violence or kill others if not previously inclined to behave without restraint.
They don't want to sully their hands, and it offends their self-image of being "loving" people. Their lives would have to change.
Right now they can do all this shit to us and cast their votes and still live their comfortable little lives without fear of real challenge or destabilizing things for themselves.
People like having voice and power without responsibility for their actions. Blood changes that.
| Quote: | The sad thing is that I see no way to reason with religious bigots who are convinced that thier interpritation of scripture is the be all end all of moral guidance. I see the tradional values esposed by the fanatic, a system of overt and moraly bankrupt rules to maintain the power and prestige of the priest class.
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Well, there's a decent change the 'pubs will swing even further right, as they have been, and wipe out moderate voices in the party.
I hope it works. There is no faster way to make their opinions superfluous in society and for them to lose power.
[Updated on: Tue, 26 January 2010 06:38]
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| Re: Same-Sex marriage Federal Case [message #89773 is a reply to message #87761 ] |
Wed, 10 February 2010 19:54 |
Jennywocky
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| Katie wrote on Sat, 30 January 2010 20:47 | | Jamie wrote on Sat, 30 January 2010 14:00 | | Katie wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 18:14 |
The problem here is that the nutjobs BELIEVE they have to SAVE AMERICA from the evil HOMOSEXUAL MENACE! After all, we have the LESSON of SODOM AND GOMORRAH to teach us what GOD WILL DO if we ALLOW HOMOSEXUALITY TO THRIVE IN OUR MIDST!!!
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I have read the story about Sodom and Gomorrah and I saw no mention of homosexuality. The reason the cities were destroyed was because their sin was very grievous. If you think the only reason the cities were destroyed was because of homosexuality, you're wrong.
An example of the type of grievous sin being referred to is detailed in chapter 19. Lot took in a couple of strangers and men of the city demanded that Lot turn them over to them for the purpose of forcible rape. They even attempted to assault Lot.
Jamie
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You've preachin' to the choir, Sweetie. You and I are in complete agreement here.
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Exactly.
Nothing to do with consensual same-sex relationships; everything to do with sexual violence meant to insult and humiliate the victims as much as possible.
It's all right there, and I'm still not sure where they get these twisted readings.
| KayA wrote on Sun, 31 January 2010 20:48 | | Quote: | government's right to declare marriage in the first place
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I have to agree with that... There should be no governmental incentives for a religious ceremony. Ted Olsen actually alluded to that point in a couple of places.
The Judge will rule in favor of same sex marriage side, he appears to think that same sex marriage is legal (just my feeling). What both sides are doing right now is setting up the evidence record for higher court. The problem for the anti-same sex marriage side is they have put real crack pots "experts" on the stand who didn't even do any research... In many places there "experts" were quoting studies from the 30's or 40's and even then misquoted them... Boies and Olsen really did a good job.
Once this record is created, both sides can not put new witnesses on the stand in higher court. They can only argue the evidence case that is in the record.... In this case a big advantage for same sex side because the Anti's did such a horrible job.
Kay
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Interesting explanation, thank you. I hope it plays out that well.
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| Re: Same-Sex marriage Federal Case [message #90047 is a reply to message #89773 ] |
Fri, 12 February 2010 14:52 |
Wendy C
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| Quote: | Chad Griffin, chair of the board of the American Foundation for Equal Rights, said he was thrilled that the trial put "those who attempt to provide justification for discrimination" under oath for the first time.
"I think they found in a court of law, it's quite different from on a political campaign where you can say anything and get away with it," Griffin said. "In a court of law, you're under oath and you actually have to tell the truth -- and you have to answer to those truths under oath. And I think that proved difficult for the defendant-interveners in this case."
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I think this says a lot in this issue and most other issues as well.
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The problem here is that the nutjobs BELIEVE they have to SAVE AMERICA from the evil HOMOSEXUAL MENACE! After all, we have the LESSON of SODOM AND GOMORRAH to teach us what GOD WILL DO if we ALLOW HOMOSEXUALITY TO THRIVE IN OUR MIDST!!! 
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